1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:04,000 The End 2 00:00:04,000 --> 00:00:08,000 Tonight on Unsolved Mysteries 3 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:12,000 Mike Embert was a top selling realtor. 4 00:00:12,000 --> 00:00:16,000 His newest client was anxious to see an upscale suburban home. 5 00:00:16,000 --> 00:00:19,000 Mike had no inkling that the man was a killer, 6 00:00:19,000 --> 00:00:23,000 or that he had inadvertently scouted the site for his own murder. 7 00:00:23,000 --> 00:00:28,000 When crew snubbed, they searched for her adult daughter Holly 8 00:00:28,000 --> 00:00:30,000 for more than seven years. 9 00:00:30,000 --> 00:00:33,000 But now, two recent events have renewed Gwen's hopes. 10 00:00:33,000 --> 00:00:37,000 Could a cryptic telephone call and a psychics vision 11 00:00:37,000 --> 00:00:41,000 hold the answer to Holly Crusen's whereabouts? 12 00:00:41,000 --> 00:00:45,000 A young girl vividly recalls a near fatal car crash 13 00:00:45,000 --> 00:00:48,000 that happened 17 years before she was born. 14 00:00:48,000 --> 00:00:52,000 Now her family is convinced that she is a reincarnation 15 00:00:52,000 --> 00:00:54,000 of her great-grandmother. 16 00:00:54,000 --> 00:00:56,000 Las Vegas, Nevada. 17 00:00:56,000 --> 00:01:00,000 A neon playground for the rich, the famous, and the not so famous. 18 00:01:00,000 --> 00:01:03,000 But the place known as Sin City is also the home 19 00:01:03,000 --> 00:01:05,000 to one of the most senseless of all crimes, 20 00:01:05,000 --> 00:01:08,000 the murder of a helpless infant. 21 00:01:08,000 --> 00:01:11,000 These are the suspects, and authorities need your help 22 00:01:11,000 --> 00:01:14,000 to track them down. 23 00:01:14,000 --> 00:01:17,000 A 21-year-old Louisiana college student disappeared 24 00:01:17,000 --> 00:01:20,000 after a night of partying in Shreveport. 25 00:01:20,000 --> 00:01:22,000 Now the man who said he saw her last 26 00:01:22,000 --> 00:01:24,000 has been charged with a crime. 27 00:01:24,000 --> 00:01:27,000 We'll bring you an update. 28 00:01:27,000 --> 00:01:30,000 Mysteries can be solved in many ways. 29 00:01:30,000 --> 00:01:33,000 Recognizing a face remembering the color of a car 30 00:01:33,000 --> 00:01:36,000 or even recalling the sound of a voice. 31 00:01:36,000 --> 00:01:40,000 Join us. Perhaps you can help solve a mystery. 32 00:02:25,000 --> 00:02:29,000 Mike and Mary Beth Emmerd to Redmond, Washington had it all. 33 00:02:29,000 --> 00:02:32,000 They were inseparable soulmates. 34 00:02:32,000 --> 00:02:34,000 They were also prosperous partners 35 00:02:34,000 --> 00:02:37,000 in the competitive world of Seattle area real estate. 36 00:02:37,000 --> 00:02:39,000 Thank you. 37 00:02:39,000 --> 00:02:42,000 Few couples shared a bond so intimate. 38 00:02:42,000 --> 00:02:44,000 The Realtor of the Year Award goes to 39 00:02:44,000 --> 00:02:48,000 Windermere's top salesman and my husband, Mike Emmerd. 40 00:02:48,000 --> 00:02:51,000 Thank you. Thank you. 41 00:02:51,000 --> 00:02:54,000 Thank you. Thank you. 42 00:02:54,000 --> 00:02:57,000 Thank you. 43 00:02:57,000 --> 00:03:01,000 Mike and I had a terrific relationship. 44 00:03:01,000 --> 00:03:04,000 We were not only husband and wife, 45 00:03:04,000 --> 00:03:06,000 but each other's best friends. 46 00:03:06,000 --> 00:03:10,000 And we were always, always on the phone with each other. 47 00:03:10,000 --> 00:03:13,000 He was either calling me in her office 48 00:03:13,000 --> 00:03:16,000 or calling me on the cell phone or something. 49 00:03:16,000 --> 00:03:19,000 We just enjoyed each other's company. 50 00:03:19,000 --> 00:03:22,000 We were just very close. 51 00:03:22,000 --> 00:03:24,000 On January 4th, 2001, 52 00:03:24,000 --> 00:03:27,000 their dream life together would be shattered. 53 00:03:27,000 --> 00:03:29,000 I just got this weird call from the office. 54 00:03:29,000 --> 00:03:32,000 Mary Beth received a heartbreaking call from her mother. 55 00:03:32,000 --> 00:03:35,000 Mike had been murdered. 56 00:03:35,000 --> 00:03:38,000 What? What are you talking about? 57 00:03:38,000 --> 00:03:40,000 Are you sure it was Mike? 58 00:03:40,000 --> 00:03:42,000 Is this some kind of a mistake? 59 00:03:42,000 --> 00:03:46,000 The realization that he was gone started to sink in 60 00:03:46,000 --> 00:03:49,000 still while I was on the telephone with my mom, 61 00:03:49,000 --> 00:03:54,000 but still hoping that, you know, maybe he was alive 62 00:03:54,000 --> 00:03:56,000 and maybe they were wrong. 63 00:03:56,000 --> 00:03:58,000 You know, maybe it wasn't Mike 64 00:03:58,000 --> 00:04:01,000 and I think it was just shock and disbelief. 65 00:04:05,000 --> 00:04:08,000 My Camerate's murder was as mysterious as it was shocking. 66 00:04:08,000 --> 00:04:12,000 It appeared to be carefully planned and meticulously executed. 67 00:04:12,000 --> 00:04:14,000 But why would anyone plot to kill 68 00:04:14,000 --> 00:04:18,000 an unassuming realtor with an exemplary past? 69 00:04:18,000 --> 00:04:20,000 Mike's kiddo left behind few clues, 70 00:04:20,000 --> 00:04:22,000 but enough to make investigators believe 71 00:04:22,000 --> 00:04:25,000 he may have used a most unusual weapon. 72 00:04:25,000 --> 00:04:30,000 Perhaps you can help solve this perplexing crime. 73 00:04:30,000 --> 00:04:33,000 Hey, Mary Beth, honey, how are you? 74 00:04:33,000 --> 00:04:35,000 Hi, honey. 75 00:04:35,000 --> 00:04:37,000 Just going over some paperwork. 76 00:04:37,000 --> 00:04:39,000 What are you doing? 77 00:04:39,000 --> 00:04:41,000 On the day he was murdered, 78 00:04:41,000 --> 00:04:43,000 Mike wrote in his date book that he was to meet 79 00:04:43,000 --> 00:04:46,000 a prospective home buyer named Stephen. 80 00:04:46,000 --> 00:04:49,000 He told Mary Beth that he had shown Stephen houses 81 00:04:49,000 --> 00:04:52,000 the previous day. 82 00:04:52,000 --> 00:04:54,000 According to Mary Beth, 83 00:04:54,000 --> 00:05:00,000 Mike said he planned to meet Stephen at 11.30 at a local mall. 84 00:05:00,000 --> 00:05:02,000 He told her that Stephen was in his 50s, 85 00:05:02,000 --> 00:05:06,000 limped and carried a cane. 86 00:05:06,000 --> 00:05:10,000 He added that Stephen was relocating from Northern California 87 00:05:10,000 --> 00:05:13,000 and that he spoke with an east coast accent. 88 00:05:13,000 --> 00:05:14,000 Check out that one you saw. 89 00:05:14,000 --> 00:05:16,000 You like so much yesterday? 90 00:05:16,000 --> 00:05:18,000 So why don't you hop in and we'll get going. 91 00:05:18,000 --> 00:05:19,000 All right. 92 00:05:19,000 --> 00:05:22,000 Stephen was keenly interested in looking at one home 93 00:05:22,000 --> 00:05:25,000 in the affluent suburb of Woodenville. 94 00:05:25,000 --> 00:05:30,000 It was a house Mike had shown him the previous day. 95 00:05:30,000 --> 00:05:33,000 The house was on a large private lot, 96 00:05:33,000 --> 00:05:36,000 distance from other homes in the neighborhood. 97 00:05:42,000 --> 00:05:45,000 Well, you were here yesterday, so just, you know, 98 00:05:45,000 --> 00:05:47,000 help yourself, if you need anything. 99 00:05:47,000 --> 00:05:49,000 I'll be upstairs. 100 00:05:54,000 --> 00:05:57,000 Hi, Betty. It's Gail. 101 00:05:57,000 --> 00:06:00,000 I'm going to stop by my house and grab something to eat, 102 00:06:00,000 --> 00:06:01,000 and I should be back at the office. 103 00:06:01,000 --> 00:06:04,000 At 12.30 PM, the owner of the house, Gail Garland, 104 00:06:04,000 --> 00:06:09,000 returned from her job to spend her lunch hour at home. 105 00:06:09,000 --> 00:06:12,000 She entered through the garage and was 106 00:06:12,000 --> 00:06:17,000 alarmed to find the front door ajar. 107 00:06:17,000 --> 00:06:25,000 Just as disturbing was the sound of water running upstairs. 108 00:06:25,000 --> 00:06:29,000 A trail of blood, still wet, led toward the bathroom. 109 00:06:34,000 --> 00:06:37,000 Mike Emert was dead. 110 00:06:37,000 --> 00:06:41,000 Only minutes earlier, he had been stabbed 19 times. 111 00:06:46,000 --> 00:06:48,000 The murder took place in this room. 112 00:06:48,000 --> 00:06:50,000 And once the victim was incapacitated, 113 00:06:50,000 --> 00:06:53,000 he was obviously dragged down the hallway into the bathroom, 114 00:06:54,000 --> 00:06:56,000 where he was placed in the bathroom. 115 00:06:56,000 --> 00:06:58,000 Investigators surmise as Stephen, the prospective home buyer, 116 00:06:58,000 --> 00:07:00,000 had committed the brutal murder. 117 00:07:00,000 --> 00:07:03,000 They also believed he may have killed Mike in this house, 118 00:07:03,000 --> 00:07:06,000 precisely because it was isolated from most other homes 119 00:07:06,000 --> 00:07:08,000 in the neighborhood. 120 00:07:08,000 --> 00:07:10,000 It appears that he may have reconnoitred, 121 00:07:10,000 --> 00:07:15,000 and actually singled out this home as the best place 122 00:07:15,000 --> 00:07:17,000 to assault Mike. 123 00:07:17,000 --> 00:07:20,000 Now, that suggests some sophisticated criminal thinking 124 00:07:20,000 --> 00:07:22,000 going on. 125 00:07:22,000 --> 00:07:24,000 If the mysterious Stephen had methodically planned Mike's 126 00:07:24,000 --> 00:07:28,000 murder, it was also possible that his handicap was merely a 127 00:07:28,000 --> 00:07:30,000 ruse. 128 00:07:30,000 --> 00:07:33,000 Investigators believe this would explain how a man in need 129 00:07:33,000 --> 00:07:36,000 of a cane was able to overpower Mike. 130 00:07:36,000 --> 00:07:41,000 I think it's possible that the weapon was this cane. 131 00:07:41,000 --> 00:07:44,000 And I'm not believing that the cane might have been one of 132 00:07:44,000 --> 00:07:49,000 these sword canes or a cane with a knife in it. 133 00:07:49,000 --> 00:07:53,000 So maybe the initial blitz assault to stun Mike was striking 134 00:07:53,000 --> 00:07:56,000 Mike with a cane from behind. 135 00:07:59,000 --> 00:08:05,000 But the knife portion of the cane was used to kill Mike. 136 00:08:05,000 --> 00:08:08,000 Mike was nearly six feet tall. 137 00:08:08,000 --> 00:08:10,000 We had 187 pounds. 138 00:08:10,000 --> 00:08:13,000 I think we have an offender here that was able to overcome a man 139 00:08:13,000 --> 00:08:17,000 of Mike's stature and then drag his body, perhaps about 18 feet 140 00:08:17,000 --> 00:08:21,000 from one room to where he came to rest. 141 00:08:21,000 --> 00:08:26,000 The water in the shower was turned on and the two faucets 142 00:08:26,000 --> 00:08:29,000 in the vanity sinks were found running. 143 00:08:29,000 --> 00:08:35,000 That, to me, speaks of an attempt to get rid of and trace evidence. 144 00:08:35,000 --> 00:08:38,000 Hair, fibers, things like that, if you wash down the drain, 145 00:08:38,000 --> 00:08:41,000 he's cleaning his hands off in the sink, cleaning the weapon 146 00:08:41,000 --> 00:08:43,000 off in the sink. 147 00:08:43,000 --> 00:08:48,000 This was probably not this individual's first murder 148 00:08:48,000 --> 00:08:53,000 or certainly not his first violent assault. 149 00:08:53,000 --> 00:08:57,000 Mike's expensive watch and diamond ring were not found on his body, 150 00:08:57,000 --> 00:09:02,000 but investigators feel certain that robbery was not the killer's motive. 151 00:09:02,000 --> 00:09:06,000 They also strongly suspect that the meticulously executed murder 152 00:09:06,000 --> 00:09:10,000 could have been the work of a professional hitman. 153 00:09:10,000 --> 00:09:15,000 But who would have hired the mysterious Stephen to kill Mike Emert? 154 00:09:15,000 --> 00:09:18,000 Did he mention anything about a description of this man 155 00:09:18,000 --> 00:09:20,000 or any characteristics he might be able to tell me? 156 00:09:20,000 --> 00:09:24,000 Investigators explored the possibility that Mike's wife, Mary Beth, 157 00:09:24,000 --> 00:09:32,000 may have been involved, but they eliminated her as a suspect. 158 00:09:32,000 --> 00:09:37,000 They also wondered if any rival realtors may have wanted to have Mike killed, 159 00:09:37,000 --> 00:09:42,000 but their investigation eliminated that possibility as well. 160 00:09:42,000 --> 00:09:46,000 An exhausted probe of Mike's background revealed that he had never committed 161 00:09:46,000 --> 00:09:49,000 a serious indiscretion or made any enemies. 162 00:09:49,000 --> 00:09:52,000 While conducting hundreds of interviews on people, 163 00:09:52,000 --> 00:09:56,000 even going back 10 years ago, and a prior business that he was involved in, 164 00:09:56,000 --> 00:10:01,000 we have not interviewed anybody that can establish 165 00:10:01,000 --> 00:10:05,000 why somebody would want to have Mike Emert killed. 166 00:10:05,000 --> 00:10:07,000 I've thought over and over and over again, 167 00:10:07,000 --> 00:10:12,000 wrecked my brain trying to come up with some reason 168 00:10:12,000 --> 00:10:14,000 why somebody would want to harm Mike, 169 00:10:14,000 --> 00:10:23,000 and there is nothing that I can come up with that would have this make any sense. 170 00:10:23,000 --> 00:10:26,000 He was a great friend, he was a great husband. 171 00:10:26,000 --> 00:10:34,000 The effects of losing Mike have just left a huge hole in my heart, 172 00:10:34,000 --> 00:10:39,000 and it's just so hard to come to grips with. 173 00:11:05,000 --> 00:11:09,000 31-year-old Holly Crusen lies comatose in a hospital bed, 174 00:11:09,000 --> 00:11:11,000 possibly the victim of a car accident. 175 00:11:11,000 --> 00:11:13,000 Her location is a mystery. 176 00:11:13,000 --> 00:11:18,000 How she got there is also unknown. 177 00:11:18,000 --> 00:11:21,000 These are not images from a real situation, 178 00:11:21,000 --> 00:11:24,000 but are the images from the mind of a psychic. 179 00:11:24,000 --> 00:11:27,000 However, these visions may hold the key to unlocking a mystery 180 00:11:27,000 --> 00:11:33,000 that has haunted Holly's mother for seven years. 181 00:11:34,000 --> 00:11:40,000 Holly Crusen disappeared from La Mesa, California during the spring of 1995. 182 00:11:40,000 --> 00:11:43,000 Despite her mother Gwen's exhaustive efforts to find her, 183 00:11:43,000 --> 00:11:47,000 what happened to Holly, her current whereabouts remains a mystery. 184 00:11:47,000 --> 00:11:50,000 But several recent events, including a psychic's eerie vision 185 00:11:50,000 --> 00:11:52,000 and a mysterious phone call, 186 00:11:52,000 --> 00:11:59,000 make Gwen believe Holly is alive and that she will see her again. 187 00:12:00,000 --> 00:12:05,000 Holly Crusen was born and raised in La Mesa, California. 188 00:12:05,000 --> 00:12:09,000 From a very young age, Holly dreamt of one day being discovered 189 00:12:09,000 --> 00:12:12,000 and becoming a movie star. 190 00:12:12,000 --> 00:12:15,000 She started into beauty pageants, 191 00:12:15,000 --> 00:12:18,000 and she loved the attention and the beautiful dresses. 192 00:12:18,000 --> 00:12:25,000 And we kind of put her on a pedestal, you know. 193 00:12:25,000 --> 00:12:28,000 And then we started her in dancing when she was three. 194 00:12:28,000 --> 00:12:31,000 And she liked it. She was always real outgoing. 195 00:12:37,000 --> 00:12:41,000 But Holly's seemingly happy young life would soon begin a downward spiral. 196 00:12:41,000 --> 00:12:44,000 Holly's mother says when she was 11, 197 00:12:44,000 --> 00:12:47,000 Holly was molested by a trusted family friend. 198 00:12:47,000 --> 00:12:51,000 And within a few years, her parents divorced. 199 00:12:51,000 --> 00:12:55,000 And then when she got into her middle teens, 200 00:12:55,000 --> 00:12:58,000 I think she started hanging around with the wrong crowd 201 00:12:58,000 --> 00:13:02,000 and kind of lost interest in the dancing and the pageants 202 00:13:02,000 --> 00:13:05,000 and wanted to be grown up. 203 00:13:09,000 --> 00:13:14,000 Eventually, Holly dropped out of school and began working as a waitress. 204 00:13:14,000 --> 00:13:16,000 Who's that guy? 205 00:13:16,000 --> 00:13:18,000 Just one of the customers. 206 00:13:18,000 --> 00:13:22,000 She was living with a man with whom she had an apparently abusive relationship. 207 00:13:22,000 --> 00:13:24,000 No, he was just asking about the different types of people. 208 00:13:24,000 --> 00:13:28,000 In fact, he was arrested on several occasions for allegedly assaulting Holly. 209 00:13:28,000 --> 00:13:31,000 I'm not thinking smart with you. Please relax, okay? 210 00:13:31,000 --> 00:13:33,000 Don't tell me to relax. 211 00:13:33,000 --> 00:13:36,000 I'm not going to do it again. I promise, please. 212 00:13:36,000 --> 00:13:38,000 I love you. 213 00:13:38,000 --> 00:13:42,000 But each time, you would sweet talk his way back into Holly's life, 214 00:13:42,000 --> 00:13:46,000 pulling her away from the security of her mother's home. 215 00:13:46,000 --> 00:13:51,000 For weeks at a time, Gun would only see Holly sporadically. 216 00:13:51,000 --> 00:13:54,000 She recalls a particular day in February 1995, 217 00:13:54,000 --> 00:13:56,000 when her daughter stopped by her print shop. 218 00:13:56,000 --> 00:13:58,000 Holly! Holly! 219 00:13:58,000 --> 00:14:00,000 Where are you going? 220 00:14:00,000 --> 00:14:02,000 I'm just going to go upstairs and grab a few things. I'll be back in a second. 221 00:14:02,000 --> 00:14:03,000 Is everything okay? 222 00:14:03,000 --> 00:14:04,000 Yes. 223 00:14:04,000 --> 00:14:09,000 Gwen Cruisen had no way of knowing that it would be the last time she would see her daughter. 224 00:14:13,000 --> 00:14:17,000 Hi, Christy. This is Gwen, Holly's mother. 225 00:14:17,000 --> 00:14:18,000 Hi. 226 00:14:18,000 --> 00:14:21,000 Have you seen Holly around? 227 00:14:21,000 --> 00:14:26,000 Over the next several weeks, when Gwen tried to contact Holly, she couldn't find her. 228 00:14:26,000 --> 00:14:29,000 Do you run into her? Could you have her give me a hand? 229 00:14:29,000 --> 00:14:34,000 And I panicked, and I called all of her friends. They hadn't seen her. 230 00:14:34,000 --> 00:14:40,000 Gwen notified the La Mesa Police Department about Holly's apparent disappearance. 231 00:14:40,000 --> 00:14:45,000 The patrol division took the initial report, and they really didn't do much. 232 00:14:45,000 --> 00:14:51,000 Because to be an adult, it's not a crime to be missing, or it's not really a big problem, 233 00:14:51,000 --> 00:14:54,000 because there was no suspicious circumstances at the time. 234 00:14:54,000 --> 00:14:58,000 Two years later, with Holly Cruisen still unaccounted for her, 235 00:14:58,000 --> 00:15:02,000 the police took a closer look at her boyfriend's criminal past. 236 00:15:04,000 --> 00:15:09,000 Because the boyfriend was arrested at least three different times for domestic violence with Holly. 237 00:15:09,000 --> 00:15:14,000 A detective from the La Mesa Police Department polygraphed her boyfriend, 238 00:15:14,000 --> 00:15:19,000 and it appeared at the time that he had no involvement in her disappearance. 239 00:15:21,000 --> 00:15:28,000 On Holly's 30th birthday, the San Diego media publicized the story of Gwen's determined search for her daughter. 240 00:15:28,000 --> 00:15:36,000 The story attracted the attention of a local psychic, who said she immediately began receiving images of Holly. 241 00:15:36,000 --> 00:15:41,000 Well, I started to get little flashes, like short little images, 242 00:15:41,000 --> 00:15:45,000 is how I receive a lot of my psychic information. 243 00:15:49,000 --> 00:15:54,000 And my first impression was seeing her in a hospital bed. 244 00:15:54,000 --> 00:16:00,000 So I knew right off that I wanted to contact this mother, 245 00:16:00,000 --> 00:16:04,000 who was obviously missing her daughter, something fierce. 246 00:16:04,000 --> 00:16:08,000 And I saw Holly in a hospital bed. 247 00:16:08,000 --> 00:16:14,000 When they met, Joyce told Gwen that Holly had left California to flee an abusive situation. 248 00:16:14,000 --> 00:16:15,000 A car accident. 249 00:16:15,000 --> 00:16:22,000 She perhaps was either driving drunk, or she was in a car that was being driven by a drunk driver. 250 00:16:22,000 --> 00:16:32,000 My feeling was that there was a car accident, and she was in a somewhat semi-comatose condition. 251 00:16:33,000 --> 00:16:37,000 As I sat there, I was starting to feel some other things. 252 00:16:40,000 --> 00:16:48,000 I told her, first of all, that I saw Holly in a hospital gown, in an extended care facility. 253 00:16:50,000 --> 00:16:53,000 The name Marymount came to me. 254 00:16:53,000 --> 00:16:58,000 Joyce believed Marymount might be the name of a hospital where Holly had received care. 255 00:16:58,000 --> 00:17:02,000 The names of the towns Mary'sville and Kenwood also came to her, 256 00:17:02,000 --> 00:17:06,000 but she was unable to make any further connections. 257 00:17:11,000 --> 00:17:17,000 Three months later, Gwen received a phone call that would change her life. 258 00:17:17,000 --> 00:17:21,000 Hello? Holly? 259 00:17:21,000 --> 00:17:24,000 I hear this weak little voice say, 260 00:17:24,000 --> 00:17:26,000 Holly? 261 00:17:26,000 --> 00:17:27,000 Hi, Mama. 262 00:17:27,000 --> 00:17:28,000 And I didn't hear anything. 263 00:17:28,000 --> 00:17:30,000 And I said, who is this? 264 00:17:30,000 --> 00:17:31,000 Mom. 265 00:17:31,000 --> 00:17:33,000 And the voice said, Holly. 266 00:17:33,000 --> 00:17:35,000 Kind of strained. 267 00:17:35,000 --> 00:17:37,000 I liked she was crying. 268 00:17:37,000 --> 00:17:38,000 And I said, Holly? 269 00:17:38,000 --> 00:17:40,000 Is that you? 270 00:17:40,000 --> 00:17:41,000 Are you still there? 271 00:17:41,000 --> 00:17:43,000 Holly? 272 00:17:43,000 --> 00:17:49,000 Gwen had a tape recorder handy, and was able to record a portion of the telephone call. 273 00:17:49,000 --> 00:17:50,000 Holly, I love you. 274 00:17:50,000 --> 00:17:53,000 Talk to me. This is your mom. 275 00:17:53,000 --> 00:17:56,000 Holly? 276 00:17:56,000 --> 00:17:58,000 Mom? 277 00:17:58,000 --> 00:17:59,000 Talk to me. 278 00:17:59,000 --> 00:18:01,000 I love you, Holly. 279 00:18:01,000 --> 00:18:04,000 I want to find you. I want to help you. Where are you? 280 00:18:04,000 --> 00:18:06,000 I don't know. 281 00:18:06,000 --> 00:18:08,000 Huh? 282 00:18:08,000 --> 00:18:11,000 Are you in San Diego? 283 00:18:11,000 --> 00:18:13,000 Ohio. 284 00:18:13,000 --> 00:18:15,000 Ohio? 285 00:18:15,000 --> 00:18:19,000 Where in Ohio? 286 00:18:19,000 --> 00:18:21,000 Holly? 287 00:18:21,000 --> 00:18:23,000 I love you. 288 00:18:23,000 --> 00:18:26,000 Hey. 289 00:18:26,000 --> 00:18:29,000 And then, pretty soon it disconnected. 290 00:18:29,000 --> 00:18:31,000 But I know it was her. 291 00:18:31,000 --> 00:18:35,000 I mean, mothers know these things. 292 00:18:35,000 --> 00:18:42,000 With a new possibility that Holly was in Ohio, Gwen Cruz and tackle the information the psychic had provided. 293 00:18:42,000 --> 00:18:46,000 I got my atlas out, and I found Marysville. 294 00:18:46,000 --> 00:18:47,000 There's a Marysville there. 295 00:18:47,000 --> 00:18:50,000 There's a Marymount hospital, and it's right on the map. 296 00:18:50,000 --> 00:18:53,000 Yes, hello. I am looking for my daughter. 297 00:18:53,000 --> 00:18:55,000 Her name is Holly Crusen. 298 00:18:55,000 --> 00:18:59,000 However, when Gwen contacted the hospital and nearby police departments, 299 00:18:59,000 --> 00:19:03,000 she ran into roadblocks she had met before. 300 00:19:03,000 --> 00:19:10,000 Because Holly was over 21, even if she'd been treated in the area, her records could not be released. 301 00:19:10,000 --> 00:19:16,000 But there would be one more intriguing new lead that could prove instrumental in finding Holly. 302 00:19:16,000 --> 00:19:19,000 Recently, while trying to locate Holly's old boyfriend, 303 00:19:19,000 --> 00:19:23,000 Detective Vincent Brown uncovered new information. 304 00:19:23,000 --> 00:19:27,000 The owner of the Pines Anita campground, 50 miles east of La Mesa, 305 00:19:27,000 --> 00:19:31,000 vividly recalls seeing Holly there in 1995, 306 00:19:31,000 --> 00:19:35,000 a few months after she was believed to have disappeared. 307 00:19:35,000 --> 00:19:40,000 Holly Crusen, her boyfriend, and one other person, the last name of Humby, 308 00:19:40,000 --> 00:19:42,000 were up at a campground in Julian, California. 309 00:19:42,000 --> 00:19:46,000 Throughout the weekend, Holly's boyfriend was creating trouble, 310 00:19:46,000 --> 00:19:50,000 drinking too much, it sounded like, just creating a general disturbance. 311 00:19:50,000 --> 00:19:51,000 You guys are taking off. 312 00:19:51,000 --> 00:19:53,000 What are you talking about? Load it up. 313 00:19:53,000 --> 00:19:55,000 When they were finally asked to leave, as they left the campground, 314 00:19:55,000 --> 00:19:57,000 the boyfriend pointed a gun at the owner, 315 00:19:57,000 --> 00:20:02,000 threatened to come back and shoot him because they were being kicked out of the park. 316 00:20:06,000 --> 00:20:10,000 Police are interested in speaking with a man accompanying Holly and her boyfriend, 317 00:20:10,000 --> 00:20:12,000 who went by the name of Humby. 318 00:20:12,000 --> 00:20:18,000 In 1995, he was believed to be in his early to mid-20s. 319 00:20:18,000 --> 00:20:22,000 This individual may have information regarding Holly's disappearance, 320 00:20:22,000 --> 00:20:25,000 or what really happened to her. 321 00:20:26,000 --> 00:20:29,000 Gwen has been revitalized by the new leads that have surfaced, 322 00:20:29,000 --> 00:20:33,000 but she continues to be haunted by unanswered questions. 323 00:20:34,000 --> 00:20:37,000 Where was Holly when she made the mysterious phone call, 324 00:20:37,000 --> 00:20:41,000 and what could be preventing her from calling back now? 325 00:20:41,000 --> 00:20:46,000 Gwen will not rest until she finds Holly or learns her fate. 326 00:20:46,000 --> 00:20:51,000 If I gave up hope, you know, whoever took her, killed her, 327 00:20:51,000 --> 00:20:56,000 or is holding her captive, or whatever the case may be, 328 00:20:56,000 --> 00:20:59,000 they've won, and they're not going to win. 329 00:20:59,000 --> 00:21:02,000 As long as I'm alive, I'm going to keep looking for my daughter. 330 00:21:07,000 --> 00:21:12,000 The End 331 00:21:20,000 --> 00:21:25,000 In the fall of 1977, when CeCe Clapper was a young mother of 26, 332 00:21:25,000 --> 00:21:29,000 she experienced an amazing event that would change her life forever. 333 00:21:29,000 --> 00:21:31,000 Mommy, mommy, stop! 334 00:21:31,000 --> 00:21:32,000 Come on! 335 00:21:32,000 --> 00:21:35,000 While driving to a friend's home, her daughter Dee 336 00:21:35,000 --> 00:21:37,000 suddenly became extremely agitated. 337 00:21:37,000 --> 00:21:41,000 Dee started crying uncontrollably. 338 00:21:41,000 --> 00:21:45,000 I went through the intersection, I pulled over to see what was wrong, 339 00:21:45,000 --> 00:21:48,000 and I said, what is it? 340 00:21:48,000 --> 00:21:52,000 And she goes, oh, mommy, you have to be so careful here. 341 00:21:52,000 --> 00:21:54,000 This is such a dangerous place. 342 00:21:54,000 --> 00:21:58,000 People get really hurt here, and I was just flabbergasted. 343 00:21:58,000 --> 00:22:01,000 I don't know why she could be so upset. 344 00:22:01,000 --> 00:22:05,000 Later that day, CeCe told her relative about the incident. 345 00:22:05,000 --> 00:22:08,000 She was astounded to learn that her grandmother, Ossilia, 346 00:22:08,000 --> 00:22:13,000 was nearly killed at the exact same intersection 17 years earlier. 347 00:22:17,000 --> 00:22:21,000 Incredibly, Dee seemed to be remembering that accident. 348 00:22:21,000 --> 00:22:23,000 But how was that possible? 349 00:22:23,000 --> 00:22:27,000 Ossilia died seven years before Dee was born. 350 00:22:28,000 --> 00:22:31,000 CeCe Cleper is convinced that her daughter Dee 351 00:22:31,000 --> 00:22:34,000 is a reincarnation of her grandmother, Ossilia. 352 00:22:34,000 --> 00:22:36,000 But is this simply wishful thinking, 353 00:22:36,000 --> 00:22:40,000 or is it really possible for the dead to come back to life? 354 00:22:40,000 --> 00:22:44,000 A landmark study of reincarnation is currently underway 355 00:22:44,000 --> 00:22:48,000 at the University of Virginia, where researchers are raising controversial questions 356 00:22:48,000 --> 00:22:51,000 about what really happens to us when we die. 357 00:22:51,000 --> 00:22:54,000 And the most astonishing cases involve young children 358 00:22:54,000 --> 00:22:58,000 who seem to have the memories of long-departed relatives. 359 00:23:00,000 --> 00:23:04,000 Ossilia Davidson was born on May 4, 1893, 360 00:23:04,000 --> 00:23:08,000 and passed away 73 years later in 1966. 361 00:23:08,000 --> 00:23:12,000 Dee Cleper was born on December 19, 1973. 362 00:23:12,000 --> 00:23:16,000 At first she appeared to be a perfectly ordinary child, 363 00:23:16,000 --> 00:23:19,000 but soon Dee began acting as if she was, in fact, 364 00:23:19,000 --> 00:23:22,000 her great-grandmother Ossilia. 365 00:23:23,000 --> 00:23:28,000 The first extraordinary occurrence happened during a trip to the grocery store. 366 00:23:28,000 --> 00:23:34,000 We were in the grocery store, and there was an older woman who came over. 367 00:23:34,000 --> 00:23:37,000 Mommy, mommy, there's my old friend. 368 00:23:37,000 --> 00:23:40,000 And Dee said, Mommy, this is my friend. 369 00:23:40,000 --> 00:23:42,000 Thank you, hello. 370 00:23:42,000 --> 00:23:45,000 In fact, the woman was a friend, but not of Dee's. 371 00:23:45,000 --> 00:23:50,000 CeCe discovered that the woman had been a neighbor of Ossilia's for 30 years. 372 00:23:51,000 --> 00:23:54,000 Before that day, Dee had never set eyes on her 373 00:23:54,000 --> 00:23:57,000 and had no way of knowing who she was. 374 00:23:57,000 --> 00:24:00,000 Two months later, Dee made a second mysterious statement 375 00:24:00,000 --> 00:24:04,000 about her great-grandmother's past life while at a restaurant. 376 00:24:04,000 --> 00:24:09,000 We walk into the restaurant, and she goes, Mommy, there's Helen. 377 00:24:09,000 --> 00:24:12,000 And this older waitress comes over. 378 00:24:12,000 --> 00:24:14,000 How did you know my name? 379 00:24:14,000 --> 00:24:18,000 And before I could say anything, my daughter piped up and said, 380 00:24:18,000 --> 00:24:21,000 because I used to come here when I was big. 381 00:24:21,000 --> 00:24:25,000 And this waitress, I cannot describe the look on her face 382 00:24:25,000 --> 00:24:29,000 or how she was really flustered. 383 00:24:29,000 --> 00:24:32,000 Dee had never been to the restaurant before, 384 00:24:32,000 --> 00:24:36,000 but her great-grandmother Ossilia was a regular. 385 00:24:36,000 --> 00:24:39,000 I asked this waitress how long she had worked there, 386 00:24:39,000 --> 00:24:42,000 and she said she had been a waitress there for about 20 years. 387 00:24:42,000 --> 00:24:45,000 So she definitely would have been there at a time when my grandmother came. 388 00:24:45,000 --> 00:24:48,000 And since my grandmother went on a weekly basis, 389 00:24:48,000 --> 00:24:51,000 it's quite likely my grandmother did know her pretty well. 390 00:24:53,000 --> 00:24:58,000 This seemed pretty strange that my daughter seemed to have memories 391 00:24:58,000 --> 00:25:01,000 from my grandmother's life. 392 00:25:01,000 --> 00:25:07,000 And to me, reincarnation was really the only thing that could explain that. 393 00:25:07,000 --> 00:25:12,000 In the typical case, a child at a young age, two or three, 394 00:25:12,000 --> 00:25:15,000 describes having lived before, 395 00:25:15,000 --> 00:25:20,000 and will continue to talk about this until he or she gets to be seven or eight. 396 00:25:20,000 --> 00:25:24,000 The child may give enough statements about the previous life 397 00:25:24,000 --> 00:25:30,000 that a person who died that matches that description can then be found. 398 00:25:30,000 --> 00:25:32,000 Cece's case is not unique. 399 00:25:32,000 --> 00:25:34,000 I have other cases like hers, 400 00:25:34,000 --> 00:25:39,000 and they all seem to fit the same general patterns, the age of the child, 401 00:25:39,000 --> 00:25:45,000 and how the relatives come to realize that this is a reincarnated relative. 402 00:25:47,000 --> 00:25:52,000 On December 3rd, 1995, Ron Ortega and his wife welcomed into the world 403 00:25:52,000 --> 00:25:54,000 a baby boy they named Gus. 404 00:25:54,000 --> 00:25:57,000 The family had no prior belief in reincarnation. 405 00:25:57,000 --> 00:25:59,000 Then Gus began to speak, 406 00:25:59,000 --> 00:26:04,000 and Ron's entire view of reality was abruptly thrown into question. 407 00:26:04,000 --> 00:26:08,000 I was changing his diaper when he was about one and a half, 408 00:26:08,000 --> 00:26:11,000 and he abruptly just said, 409 00:26:11,000 --> 00:26:16,000 you know, when I was your age, I used to change your diapers. 410 00:26:16,000 --> 00:26:18,000 And that kind of threw me for a loop. 411 00:26:18,000 --> 00:26:21,000 I kind of stopped to look back and I said, 412 00:26:21,000 --> 00:26:23,000 what a weird thing to say. 413 00:26:24,000 --> 00:26:28,000 As Gus grew older, he continued to make puzzling references, 414 00:26:28,000 --> 00:26:31,000 often talking as if he were an adult. 415 00:26:31,000 --> 00:26:34,000 One day when Ron showed Gus some old family photos, 416 00:26:34,000 --> 00:26:37,000 his son's reaction was mind-boggling. 417 00:26:37,000 --> 00:26:42,000 One of the photos was a class photo of my father when he was about 10, 418 00:26:42,000 --> 00:26:45,000 with about maybe 15 or 20 other kids. 419 00:26:48,000 --> 00:26:49,000 That's me. 420 00:26:53,000 --> 00:26:56,000 Gus was pointing to his grandfather, August Ortega, 421 00:26:56,000 --> 00:26:59,000 a man he had never seen before in his life. 422 00:26:59,000 --> 00:27:02,000 August died one year before Gus was born, 423 00:27:02,000 --> 00:27:05,000 and the child had never seen a picture of him. 424 00:27:05,000 --> 00:27:09,000 Now Gus was picking August out in photo after photo 425 00:27:09,000 --> 00:27:13,000 and declaring that he was August in a previous life. 426 00:27:13,000 --> 00:27:17,000 He was shown a picture of my family's business, 427 00:27:17,000 --> 00:27:22,000 and when asked what this was, he said, that's my shop. 428 00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:28,000 He said, I used to be big, and now I'm a kid again. 429 00:27:28,000 --> 00:27:31,000 And he was giggling when he was saying this. 430 00:27:31,000 --> 00:27:33,000 I mean, it's just like, isn't this great? 431 00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:35,000 This is absolutely cool. 432 00:27:37,000 --> 00:27:39,000 If that wasn't strange enough, 433 00:27:39,000 --> 00:27:41,000 Gus soon began talking about a tragic event 434 00:27:41,000 --> 00:27:43,000 and the Ortega family's past. 435 00:27:43,000 --> 00:27:47,000 The incident occurred 55 years before Gus was born, 436 00:27:47,000 --> 00:27:52,000 and Ron claims his son knew absolutely nothing about it. 437 00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:57,000 He said, I had a sister, and she died. 438 00:27:57,000 --> 00:28:01,000 She's a fish, and bad guy made her die. 439 00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:08,000 August Ortega's sister was murdered by her husband in 1940. 440 00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:10,000 Her body was wrapped in a blanket 441 00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:13,000 and dumped into the San Francisco Bay. 442 00:28:13,000 --> 00:28:17,000 That was absolutely the aha moment. 443 00:28:17,000 --> 00:28:23,000 That blew me away because there was no way at all 444 00:28:23,000 --> 00:28:28,000 that this kid could have known anything about that. 445 00:28:28,000 --> 00:28:30,000 Today Gus is five years old, 446 00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:32,000 and his memories of his grandfather August 447 00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:35,000 are slowly fading away. 448 00:28:35,000 --> 00:28:37,000 Experts have discovered that most children 449 00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:39,000 who remember past lives 450 00:28:39,000 --> 00:28:43,000 usually lose those memories by the age of seven. 451 00:28:43,000 --> 00:28:46,000 If Gus starts to lose these memories, 452 00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:51,000 I'll feel fortunate to have spent this early time with him. 453 00:28:51,000 --> 00:28:53,000 He's very affectionate, 454 00:28:53,000 --> 00:28:55,000 and that's something that I think my father 455 00:28:55,000 --> 00:28:57,000 always wanted to be able to do, 456 00:28:57,000 --> 00:29:01,000 but couldn't as much as he wanted to. 457 00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:03,000 This is like connecting, 458 00:29:03,000 --> 00:29:07,000 and I sense very much that this is a gift 459 00:29:07,000 --> 00:29:09,000 that's been given to me, 460 00:29:09,000 --> 00:29:13,000 and I'm cherishing it every moment of it. 461 00:29:13,000 --> 00:29:16,000 DeClepper is now 27 years old. 462 00:29:16,000 --> 00:29:18,000 She no longer has any memory 463 00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:22,000 of her great-grandmother, Ossilia Davidson. 464 00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:24,000 We certainly have not proven reincarnation. 465 00:29:24,000 --> 00:29:27,000 In fact, we're not even attempting to. 466 00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:30,000 I think what these cases can do 467 00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:33,000 is open our minds a little bit 468 00:29:33,000 --> 00:29:36,000 of where we may not understand everything 469 00:29:36,000 --> 00:29:38,000 about how the world works. 470 00:29:38,000 --> 00:29:42,000 There may be more to life than we really know. 471 00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:52,000 Las Vegas, Nevada. 472 00:29:52,000 --> 00:29:56,000 A mecca for both high rollers and nickel slot players. 473 00:29:56,000 --> 00:29:58,000 However, in a local mall near the strip, 474 00:29:58,000 --> 00:30:01,000 Kevin Wu and his girlfriend Christine Weston 475 00:30:01,000 --> 00:30:05,000 were playing their own game by their own rules. 476 00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:07,000 Wu and Weston had allegedly devised 477 00:30:07,000 --> 00:30:09,000 a daring shoplifting scheme 478 00:30:09,000 --> 00:30:13,000 that netted enough cash to feed their drug habits. 479 00:30:13,000 --> 00:30:16,000 You gotta be pretty gutsy to walk into a mall 480 00:30:16,000 --> 00:30:18,000 and lift merchandise, especially nowadays 481 00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:22,000 with all these sensors that are posted at these places. 482 00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:25,000 Their luck eventually ran out. 483 00:30:25,000 --> 00:30:29,000 Wu and Weston were arrested and booked for shoplifting. 484 00:30:29,000 --> 00:30:32,000 But they were soon back on the streets, 485 00:30:32,000 --> 00:30:34,000 and police claim up to their old tricks. 486 00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:37,000 Only this time, the stakes had gone much higher. 487 00:30:37,000 --> 00:30:41,000 Christine was 8 1⁄2 months pregnant with Kevin's baby, 488 00:30:41,000 --> 00:30:45,000 and they were about to become suspects in a heinous crime. 489 00:30:45,000 --> 00:30:48,000 According to police, the couple settled into the room 490 00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:51,000 following a day ripping off department stores. 491 00:30:51,000 --> 00:30:53,000 They reportedly spent the rest of the evening 492 00:30:53,000 --> 00:30:56,000 drinking and using drugs. 493 00:30:56,000 --> 00:30:58,000 Some time after midnight, 494 00:30:58,000 --> 00:31:01,000 Weston felt a series of sharp abdominal pains. 495 00:31:03,000 --> 00:31:05,000 Moments later, she went into premature labor, 496 00:31:05,000 --> 00:31:07,000 locked herself in the bathroom, 497 00:31:07,000 --> 00:31:09,000 then gave birth to a baby boy. 498 00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:10,000 What's wrong, honey? 499 00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:11,000 Kevin, baby! 500 00:31:11,000 --> 00:31:12,000 I don't know. 501 00:31:12,000 --> 00:31:13,000 The baby's coming. 502 00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:15,000 I'll call someone! 503 00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:22,000 Wu rifled through the yellow pages for the nearest hospital 504 00:31:22,000 --> 00:31:24,000 and pleaded his case with a Near nurse. 505 00:31:28,000 --> 00:31:30,000 Emergency room low speaking. 506 00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:32,000 Hello, ma'am. I have an emergency. 507 00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:36,000 She received the phone call about 1 o'clock in the morning 508 00:31:36,000 --> 00:31:41,000 from a male subject who identified himself as Kevin 509 00:31:41,000 --> 00:31:44,000 and said that his girlfriend had just had a baby 510 00:31:44,000 --> 00:31:46,000 and the baby was in the toilet. 511 00:31:46,000 --> 00:31:48,000 We do not dispatch ambulances from this location. 512 00:31:48,000 --> 00:31:52,000 You need to hang up and you need to dial 911 right now. 513 00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:57,000 Wu finally made the call to 911 an hour later, about 2 a.m. 514 00:31:57,000 --> 00:32:01,000 He said it was a medical emergency and not to involve the cops. 515 00:32:01,000 --> 00:32:06,000 Suspicious, the dispatcher contacted Las Vegas Metro Police anyway. 516 00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:10,000 When paramedics and uniformed officers arrived, 517 00:32:10,000 --> 00:32:13,000 they found Christine alone in the bathroom. 518 00:32:13,000 --> 00:32:16,000 Her baby was still in the toilet. 519 00:32:16,000 --> 00:32:19,000 While Weston was wheeled to a waiting ambulance, 520 00:32:19,000 --> 00:32:21,000 the homicide unit responded. 521 00:32:21,000 --> 00:32:25,000 The baby had apparently died of drowning. 522 00:32:25,000 --> 00:32:28,000 I can't describe the feeling that I had when I first saw that 523 00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:30,000 because I've never seen anything like it. 524 00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:34,000 The deaths dealing with children are the hardest, but this one... 525 00:32:34,000 --> 00:32:35,000 It's just hard to describe. 526 00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:36,000 This was a baby that didn't have a chance 527 00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:39,000 when the minute it came out. 528 00:32:39,000 --> 00:32:41,000 The death of any child is tragic, 529 00:32:41,000 --> 00:32:43,000 and this case is especially shocking. 530 00:32:43,000 --> 00:32:46,000 But had a crime been committed, 531 00:32:46,000 --> 00:32:49,000 several scenarios of guilt or innocence were possible, 532 00:32:49,000 --> 00:32:52,000 and detectives hoped an autopsy scheduled for later the same day 533 00:32:52,000 --> 00:32:54,000 would provide the answers. 534 00:32:54,000 --> 00:32:57,000 One question in particular was crucial. 535 00:32:57,000 --> 00:33:01,000 Had the baby been born alive? 536 00:33:01,000 --> 00:33:04,000 Detectives Hardy and Tremel were anxious to see the results 537 00:33:04,000 --> 00:33:08,000 of the autopsy, but in the meantime, there was work to do. 538 00:33:08,000 --> 00:33:11,000 When they arrived at the hospital to talk with the young couple, 539 00:33:11,000 --> 00:33:15,000 a uniformed officer was already questioning Kevin Woo. 540 00:33:15,000 --> 00:33:18,000 He suddenly became very nervous. 541 00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:19,000 Henderson. 542 00:33:19,000 --> 00:33:21,000 How long have you been living there? 543 00:33:21,000 --> 00:33:24,000 Just a couple years, though. We didn't stay too long. 544 00:33:24,000 --> 00:33:27,000 Excuse me, do you mind if I use the restroom? 545 00:33:27,000 --> 00:33:28,000 Yeah, sure, go ahead. 546 00:33:28,000 --> 00:33:29,000 Thanks. 547 00:33:30,000 --> 00:33:32,000 A few minutes later, 548 00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:35,000 detectives were told that Woo had fled. 549 00:33:35,000 --> 00:33:37,000 This guy, the suspect is gone. He's out of here. 550 00:33:37,000 --> 00:33:39,000 We need an officer stationed at the Lady Luck Hotel. 551 00:33:39,000 --> 00:33:42,000 They immediately ordered a patrol officer to stand guard at the hotel 552 00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:45,000 in case he returned to his room. 553 00:33:45,000 --> 00:33:50,000 Then around 3 a.m., Hardy and Tremel spoke with Christine Weston. 554 00:33:50,000 --> 00:33:52,000 We just need to ask you a couple of questions. 555 00:33:52,000 --> 00:33:55,000 She was about as cold as a cold as a cold. 556 00:33:55,000 --> 00:33:57,000 She wasn't upset, wasn't crying. 557 00:33:57,000 --> 00:34:00,000 The only question she had about was her belongings in the room. 558 00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:03,000 Really couldn't care less about what happened to the baby. 559 00:34:03,000 --> 00:34:05,000 When can I go back to the hotel? 560 00:34:05,000 --> 00:34:07,000 Well, it's a little late to go back tonight. 561 00:34:07,000 --> 00:34:10,000 But the room is secure. Your things are all right. 562 00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:12,000 I gave her my business card and said, 563 00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:15,000 call us in the morning and we'll make arrangements to meet you over there 564 00:34:15,000 --> 00:34:16,000 and get your stuff. 565 00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:19,000 It was partly applied to put the police in the room. 566 00:34:19,000 --> 00:34:20,000 I was very nervous. 567 00:34:20,000 --> 00:34:21,000 I was very nervous. 568 00:34:21,000 --> 00:34:22,000 I was very nervous. 569 00:34:22,000 --> 00:34:24,000 They did her stuff. 570 00:34:24,000 --> 00:34:25,000 Thank you for calling. 571 00:34:25,000 --> 00:34:28,000 It was partly applied to put Weston at ease until detectives could review 572 00:34:28,000 --> 00:34:31,000 the results of the autopsy and determine if a crime had been committed. 573 00:34:31,000 --> 00:34:34,000 Late that morning, the report came in. 574 00:34:34,000 --> 00:34:38,000 The baby had indeed been born alive. 575 00:34:42,000 --> 00:34:44,000 Because they didn't seek medical attention, 576 00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:48,000 the district attorney's office felt that there was enough to charge 577 00:34:48,000 --> 00:34:53,160 them with the murder, basically, of the child. 578 00:34:53,160 --> 00:34:56,160 There was now an alleged homicide to investigate, 579 00:34:56,160 --> 00:35:00,080 with Christine Weston and Kevin Wu, the two prime suspects. 580 00:35:00,080 --> 00:35:03,800 Hardian Tremel returned to the hospital to question Weston. 581 00:35:03,800 --> 00:35:06,480 But while they were checking in at the nurses station, 582 00:35:06,480 --> 00:35:10,760 she was checking out the back door. 583 00:35:10,760 --> 00:35:12,840 Seconds later, Weston was gone. 584 00:35:13,080 --> 00:35:19,080 She really had no fixed address in Las Vegas. 585 00:35:19,080 --> 00:35:20,800 We really didn't know where to look for them. 586 00:35:20,800 --> 00:35:23,000 They were all, as far as we could turn, 587 00:35:23,000 --> 00:35:26,080 just guessing that hotel. 588 00:35:26,080 --> 00:35:29,040 Then two days after Wu and Weston disappeared, 589 00:35:29,040 --> 00:35:30,960 police say Wu stole a pickup truck 590 00:35:30,960 --> 00:35:32,480 in nearby Henderson, Nevada. 591 00:35:32,480 --> 00:35:34,240 Hey, buddy, I need your car. 592 00:35:34,240 --> 00:35:35,240 Just give me the keys. 593 00:35:35,240 --> 00:35:36,140 Give me your keys. 594 00:35:36,140 --> 00:35:37,040 I don't have the time. 595 00:35:37,040 --> 00:35:38,000 Give me your keys. 596 00:35:38,000 --> 00:35:39,560 OK. 597 00:35:39,560 --> 00:35:41,800 It was found abandoned a few days later 598 00:35:41,800 --> 00:35:43,680 south of Los Angeles. 599 00:35:43,680 --> 00:35:47,360 That brought the FBI into the case. 600 00:35:47,360 --> 00:35:49,560 The FBI got involved in it during what we call 601 00:35:49,560 --> 00:35:52,680 the unlawful flight to avoid prosecution process. 602 00:35:52,680 --> 00:35:56,360 What that is is when an individual is indicted or arrested 603 00:35:56,360 --> 00:35:59,800 in a state case and then flees the jurisdiction, 604 00:35:59,800 --> 00:36:05,280 we initiate that process to assist in the apprehension. 605 00:36:05,280 --> 00:36:08,280 Weston and Wu were both charged with second degree murder, 606 00:36:08,280 --> 00:36:10,880 child abuse with substantial bodily harm, 607 00:36:10,920 --> 00:36:13,840 and possession of a controlled substance. 608 00:36:13,840 --> 00:36:16,360 Wu was also wanted for carjacking. 609 00:36:16,360 --> 00:36:19,080 But despite the nationwide manhunt, 610 00:36:19,080 --> 00:36:20,800 police say the couple has not been 611 00:36:20,800 --> 00:36:24,760 deterred from their life of crime. 612 00:36:24,760 --> 00:36:27,800 Christine has been cited twice in the Southern California area. 613 00:36:27,800 --> 00:36:30,040 She was arrested by the Costa Mesa Police 614 00:36:30,040 --> 00:36:32,800 Department for shoplifting. 615 00:36:32,800 --> 00:36:35,440 Weston, however, is very clever. 616 00:36:35,440 --> 00:36:39,040 To derail Costa Mesa police for making an immediate ID, 617 00:36:39,080 --> 00:36:42,400 she reportedly used one of her aliases, Carrie Lynn Meeker. 618 00:36:45,600 --> 00:36:47,960 Since shoplifting is a misdemeanor, 619 00:36:47,960 --> 00:36:51,600 Weston posing as Meeker was not held in jail. 620 00:36:51,600 --> 00:36:53,080 Once they're arrested, their fingerprints 621 00:36:53,080 --> 00:36:55,760 are sent back to the FBI facility. 622 00:36:55,760 --> 00:36:57,360 That can take up to a day to get back. 623 00:36:57,360 --> 00:37:00,280 The result of which is if it's not a significant event, 624 00:37:00,280 --> 00:37:03,840 they're released before the return of the fingerprints, which 625 00:37:03,840 --> 00:37:07,440 helps them avoid apprehension. 626 00:37:07,440 --> 00:37:11,360 And what about Weston's alleged partner in crime? 627 00:37:11,360 --> 00:37:13,360 There haven't been any sightings of Kevin Wu 628 00:37:13,360 --> 00:37:14,520 since his departure. 629 00:37:14,520 --> 00:37:16,280 But we still assume that the two of them 630 00:37:16,280 --> 00:37:19,400 are together until we learn otherwise. 631 00:37:19,400 --> 00:37:22,760 Christine Weston and Kevin Wu are still in the land. 632 00:37:22,760 --> 00:37:26,160 And detected Don Tremble is still on their trail. 633 00:37:26,160 --> 00:37:29,320 He won't rest until he tracks them down. 634 00:37:29,320 --> 00:37:33,200 If you saw what we saw in the room that night, 635 00:37:33,200 --> 00:37:36,040 it would make you mad, too. 636 00:37:36,040 --> 00:37:37,920 But the whole thing that really gets to me 637 00:37:37,920 --> 00:37:44,920 is that they chose to do nothing and showed no concern, 638 00:37:44,920 --> 00:37:51,280 no remorse, and then left town like nothing happened. 639 00:37:51,280 --> 00:37:53,640 A few days after Christine Weston and Kevin Wu 640 00:37:53,640 --> 00:37:56,000 allegedly took the life of their child, 641 00:37:56,000 --> 00:37:58,160 the Las Vegas chapter of the Knights of Columbus 642 00:37:58,160 --> 00:38:02,920 gave Baby John Doe a name, Kyle, and a proper burial. 643 00:38:02,920 --> 00:38:04,760 But there will be no closure on this case 644 00:38:04,760 --> 00:38:08,440 until his parents are arrested and tried for murder. 645 00:38:38,600 --> 00:38:40,280 On a previous broadcast, we brought you 646 00:38:40,280 --> 00:38:43,880 the story of a beautiful young woman named Wendy Long. 647 00:38:43,880 --> 00:38:46,320 Wendy was living with her parents during a semester 648 00:38:46,320 --> 00:38:48,080 off from college. 649 00:38:48,080 --> 00:38:51,040 On a Sunday afternoon in Cushota, Louisiana, 650 00:38:51,040 --> 00:38:53,440 Carol and Luke Long received a telephone call 651 00:38:53,440 --> 00:38:56,440 from a friend of their 21-year-old daughter. 652 00:38:56,440 --> 00:38:59,480 They were given news that is every parent's nightmare. 653 00:38:59,480 --> 00:39:01,320 I thought you was with you. 654 00:39:01,320 --> 00:39:04,160 No, I haven't seen her since Friday night. 655 00:39:04,160 --> 00:39:06,720 Wendy was missing. 656 00:39:06,720 --> 00:39:08,360 We called the police and told them 657 00:39:08,360 --> 00:39:11,760 that we thought something had happened to Wendy. 658 00:39:11,760 --> 00:39:15,080 And that's where it all started. 659 00:39:15,080 --> 00:39:18,000 Somebody knows where Wendy's at. 660 00:39:18,000 --> 00:39:20,800 And we just want to find her so bad. 661 00:39:24,040 --> 00:39:26,360 Two days before she disappeared, Wendy 662 00:39:26,360 --> 00:39:28,280 had left to go to Shreveport for the weekend. 663 00:39:31,480 --> 00:39:34,000 On the way, she picked up two friends. 664 00:39:34,000 --> 00:39:37,840 They spent the afternoon shopping. 665 00:39:37,840 --> 00:39:40,760 Later that day, they picked up on acquaintance a man we called 666 00:39:40,760 --> 00:39:42,240 Tommy in our original broadcast. 667 00:39:45,200 --> 00:39:47,720 The foursome went to a party at another friend's house. 668 00:39:50,920 --> 00:39:55,280 And I'm told that Wendy had quite a bit to drink that night. 669 00:39:55,280 --> 00:40:00,320 So that when it came time for them to take Tommy back home, 670 00:40:00,320 --> 00:40:01,600 she didn't want to drive. 671 00:40:01,600 --> 00:40:03,720 In fact, she didn't want to go with them at all. 672 00:40:03,720 --> 00:40:04,720 You OK to drive? 673 00:40:04,720 --> 00:40:05,620 Come on. 674 00:40:05,620 --> 00:40:06,520 I can drive. 675 00:40:06,520 --> 00:40:07,680 Don't worry about it. 676 00:40:07,680 --> 00:40:08,960 Ruby, I said I could drive. 677 00:40:08,960 --> 00:40:09,920 Don't worry about it. 678 00:40:09,920 --> 00:40:12,680 Drive safely. 679 00:40:12,680 --> 00:40:14,760 Tommy claimed that he was concerned that Wendy 680 00:40:14,760 --> 00:40:15,680 would be stranded. 681 00:40:15,680 --> 00:40:17,960 So he returned to the party in his own car 682 00:40:17,960 --> 00:40:19,240 and offered her a ride home. 683 00:40:22,240 --> 00:40:24,760 On the way back, Tommy said he stopped for gas 684 00:40:24,760 --> 00:40:27,960 under a quart of oil. 685 00:40:27,960 --> 00:40:30,840 When he came back out, Wendy was talking 686 00:40:30,840 --> 00:40:33,720 to two young men in a black Chevy truck. 687 00:40:33,720 --> 00:40:35,080 Hey, Tommy, come here. 688 00:40:35,080 --> 00:40:37,520 This is Mike and Zant. 689 00:40:37,520 --> 00:40:40,600 Tommy said that it appeared that she knew them. 690 00:40:40,600 --> 00:40:43,960 And Wendy told Tommy at that point not to worry about it, 691 00:40:43,960 --> 00:40:45,520 that she was going to go with them 692 00:40:45,520 --> 00:40:47,840 and they were going to get her home. 693 00:40:47,840 --> 00:40:49,800 Are you sure you know these guys? 694 00:40:49,800 --> 00:40:51,600 Yes, I'm sure I know these guys. 695 00:40:51,600 --> 00:40:54,280 According to Tommy, the last time he saw Wendy 696 00:40:54,280 --> 00:40:56,600 was when she left with the two men. 697 00:40:56,600 --> 00:40:59,040 This alleged sighting made Tommy the last person 698 00:40:59,040 --> 00:41:02,960 to see Wendy before she disappeared. 699 00:41:02,960 --> 00:41:06,440 Later police questioned Tommy about the events of the evening. 700 00:41:06,440 --> 00:41:08,760 He agreed to take a polygraph test, which 701 00:41:08,760 --> 00:41:12,640 according to police, he passed. 702 00:41:12,640 --> 00:41:15,920 Tommy even gave a detailed description to the police. 703 00:41:15,920 --> 00:41:18,080 But despite thorough investigation, 704 00:41:18,080 --> 00:41:19,560 the leads seemed to go nowhere. 705 00:41:22,200 --> 00:41:24,040 Update. 706 00:41:24,040 --> 00:41:26,160 Five months after Wendy's disappearance, 707 00:41:26,200 --> 00:41:29,280 Tommy, whose real name is Robert Rocky Stewart, 708 00:41:29,280 --> 00:41:33,080 was arrested for check fraud. 709 00:41:33,080 --> 00:41:36,800 The investigators started taking another look at Rocky. 710 00:41:36,800 --> 00:41:41,440 And I think in just looking at him as a possible suspect, 711 00:41:41,440 --> 00:41:43,680 instead of a possible witness, they 712 00:41:43,680 --> 00:41:50,160 started pointing out inconsistencies in his story. 713 00:41:50,160 --> 00:41:52,720 Authorities came to believe that the story he told them 714 00:41:52,720 --> 00:41:55,040 was a complete fabrication. 715 00:41:55,040 --> 00:42:00,520 When the information continued to turn up false 716 00:42:00,520 --> 00:42:04,240 and the story broke down, Mr. Stewart began to break down. 717 00:42:04,240 --> 00:42:06,920 Police say that Rocky Stewart then confessed 718 00:42:06,920 --> 00:42:08,760 to murdering Wendy Long. 719 00:42:08,760 --> 00:42:10,600 During one of the subsequent interviews, 720 00:42:10,600 --> 00:42:13,880 Mr. Stewart gave investigators the location of the body. 721 00:42:13,880 --> 00:42:16,080 Investigators went to that location 722 00:42:16,080 --> 00:42:19,440 and found what appeared to be human remains. 723 00:42:19,440 --> 00:42:21,920 Those remains ultimately were determined 724 00:42:21,920 --> 00:42:23,520 to be the remains of Wendy Long. 725 00:42:25,320 --> 00:42:29,640 PLAYING 726 00:42:40,800 --> 00:42:45,180 Join me for our next edition of Unsolved Mysteries.